He states,
Mr. Petillo, in another
article posted Thursday, October 11, 2012, goes on about the cleansing from sin and, though
he does not mention the name, "Purgatory" as well. Whereas his
article is relatively short and a comment response on his blog would have been
sufficient - he does not allow for comments on his blog. I'll discuss
that in another posting myself.
The
Bible does not teach purgatory. There is no mention of it in the Old
and New Testaments. I do not allow comments because I would rather just
post my material.
Yes, and it is Jesus who
cleanses us through the "fires of Purgatory" too. It is still
Jesus who presents us to the Father, now "free of reproach and
blame."
That's your personal
insight but it is not the position of the Bible. You can lose the state
of grace by one mortal sin, but in the Reformed faith justification can
never be lost.
It is a better deal altogether. Your church
invites this doctrine of "purgatory" because she refuses to live up to
the holy godliness of the Bible. You can't say whether your are saved
or have assurance of salvation,
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. (1 John 5:13 NASB).
He states,
Yes, and we know that
nothing unclean can enter heaven - so when we have sins which we have not
confessed - these must be cleansed before we are allowed "in."
That's is the hypocrisy I am talking about. Thomas Watson on
Roman Catholicism wrote,
9. The ninth popish error, is their purgatory
fire. There is, said Bellarmine, an infernal place in the earth
called purgatory in which the souls which were not fully cleansed in
this life, are purged there by fire, before they can be received into
heaven. Purgatory fire the papists make satisfactory for sin; which
much derogates from the virtue and benefit of Christ's sufferings, "who
Himself has purged our sins," Hebrews 1:3.
The Scripture nowhere asserts this doctrine of purgatory.
It mentions no middle place. The wicked, at death, go immediately to
hell. Luke 16:23, "The rich man was buried—and in hell he lift up his eyes
in torment." Believers, at death, go immediately to heaven. Luke 23:43, "This
day you shall be with Me in paradise." Christ was to be instantly in
heaven, and the penitent thief was to be with Christ that very day. So that
he was in no such place as purgatory—but went immediately from the cross to
paradise. Christ's blood is purgatory in this life, 1 John 1:7. If men are
not purged by Christ's blood, there is no purging by fire. Not only the
Scripture but the Fathers were against purgatory. We do not read of two
fires, said Augustine, only of hell-fire, not purgatory-fire. But this
imaginary fire of purgatory, makes for something to sell in the pope's
kitchen. For when men are about to make their will, if they leave good sums
of money to the pope and his priests—they tell them that they will pray for
them that they may be speedily released out of the pains of purgatory!
He states,
If we are walking with the
Church He founded and seeking forgiveness from the successors of the men whom
He empowered to forgive or retain sins - then yes. John 20:23 - "If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.” (NIV)
Peter
is not the rock and the Roman Church is not founded by Jesus Christ.
No can forgive sins except God alone and the Jews knew this in ancient
Israel. 1 John 1:9 speaks of forgiveness by God through His Son by His
Spirit but devoid of the Roman church,
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9 NASB).
He states,
When we first commit
them? While I think that is possible, I would say it is not
typical. Repentance tends to come after reflection - though I could see
it happening as the sin is committed. Repentance is one thing,
forgiveness is another. God provided us with the means of getting our
sins forgiven through men whom He empowered to do so.
I think once someone repents of their sins to God they are forgiven. CH Spurgeon wrote,
Repentance is
the inseparable companion of faith. All the while that we walk by faith and not
by sight, the fear of repentance glitters in the eye of faith. That is not true
repentance which does not come of faith in Jesus; and that is not true faith in
Jesus which is not tinctured with repentance. Faith and repentance, like the
Siamese twins, are vitally joined together. Faith and repentance are but two
spokes in the same wheel, two handles of the same plow. Repentance has been
well described as a heart broken for sin and from sin, and it may equally well
be spoken of as turning and returning. It is a change of mind of the most
thorough and radical sort, and it is attended with sorrow for the past and a
resolve of amendment in the future. Repentance of sin and faith in divine
pardon are the ways and woof of the fabric of real conversion.
D.M. Lloyd Jones wrote,
So the Cross
does not merely tell us that God forgives, it tells us that that is God’s way
of making forgiveness possible. It is the way in which we understand how God
forgives. I will go further: How can God forgive and still remain God? – That
is the question. The Cross is the vindication of God. The Cross is the
vindication of the character of God. The Cross not only shows the love of God
more gloriously than anything else, it shows His righteousness, His justice,
His holiness, and all the glory of His eternal attributes. They are all to be
seen shining together there. If you do not see them all you have not seen the
Cross.
He writes,
We strive to live holy
lives because we wish to please our Lord, our Savior and God. If it is
judged that we must be further purified before entering Heaven, then sobeit -
God is sovereign.
Spurgeon wrote,
How these verses shut the gates of purgatory! It is held that there are some who die who are believers, but who are not quite purified from sin, and in an after state they must undergo a purgatorial quarantine to be purged by fire, so that they may become quite complete. Beloved, when the thief died on the cross he had but just believed, and had never done a single good work, but where did he go to? Well, he ought to have gone to purgatory by rights, if ever anybody did, but instead of that the Savior said to him, "Today you shall be with me in Paradise." Why? Because the ground of the man's admission into Paradise was perfect. The grounds of his admission there was Christ's work, and that is how you and I will get into heaven, because Christ's work is finished. The thief did not go down to purgatory, nor, blessed be his name, neither shall you nor I if we trust in the finished work of the Lord Jesus.
"The death he died, he died to sin once for all..."
Romans 6:10
"He sacrificed for their sins once for all when
he offered himself." Hebrews 7:27
"He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his
own blood, having obtained eternal redemption."
Hebrews 9:12
"But now he has appeared once for all at the end
of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice
of himself." Hebrews 9:26
"so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the
sins of many people...." Hebrews 9:28
"we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the
body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10
He states,
If
there were no such thing as purification after death, or sins being forgiven in
the next life, then why does Scripture make mention of such things?
Yes! May
we? I hope we do and I hope we objectively look at what has been said and
consider the following too...
It does not. It
is simply your tradition being placed upon the text of Scripture. May
I say that the Lord does not like "Catholic theologians" to write about
His Word. It is safe to say that the Lord is angry with you by what
you teach, but I call you to repentance. He states,
Matt. 5:26,18:34;
Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you
will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out
until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a
reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8) who
is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and
God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this
life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get
out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory
where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.
Jerome
and Augustine commented on these verses and never mentioned purgatory
(Ancient Christian Commentary On Scripture, New Testament Ia, Matthew
1-13, pg. 106-107).
Matt.
5:48 - Jesus
says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are
only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this
purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state
we call purgatory.
This verse has no reference to purgatory. It refers to sanctification but later Christians are glorified.
Matt. 12:32
– Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of
man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be
forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that
there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en
to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark
10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness
is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves
that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has
called this state purgatory. Luke 12:47-48
- when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will
receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or
hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer
live with the Master.
Luke 16:19-31
- in this story, we see that the dead rich man is
suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of
his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in
hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from
God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.
1 Cor. 15:29-30
- Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the
dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the
dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven
because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their
sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly
correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead,
so that they may be forgiven of their sin.
Phil.
2:10 - every
knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which
is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.
2 Tim. 1:16-18
- Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on
that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see,
for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10;
2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8). Of course, there is
no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is
Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.
Heb.
12:14 - without
holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true
holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not
completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.
Heb.
12:23 - the
spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do
not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But
those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made
perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.
1 Peter 3:19; 4:6
- Jesus preached to the spirits in the
"prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the
beatific vision.
Rev. 21:4
- God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no
mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing
away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain
only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and
God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing
purgatory.
Rev. 21:27
- nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean”
comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even
the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must
be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not
want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If
there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most
people. God is merciful indeed.
Luke
23:43 – many
Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven,
there can be no purgatory. There are several rebuttals. First, when Jesus uses
the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise,
from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This
was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive
until the Lord's resurrection. Second, since there was no punctuation in the
original manuscript, Jesus’ statement “I say to you today you will be with me
in paradise” does not mean there was a comma after the first word “you.” This
means Jesus could have said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in
paradise” (meaning, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement
was “today” or “now,” and that some time in the future the good thief would go
to heaven). Third, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not
prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life –
perhaps by a bloody and repentant death – could be ready for admission in to
heaven).
Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8
- here are some examples of ritual
prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The
Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls
from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.
I do not see how any of these support purgatory.
John Napier wrote,
The god of
Roman Catholic doctrine is not the God of the Bible; therefore, that leaves
only one alternative, the “god of this age” (2 Cor. 4:4). Thus, the vast majority of those in the Roman
Catholic Church are lost. However, those
in Roman Catholic churches who have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone and
do not embrace the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in their heart may be
saved. (Charismatic Challenge by John Napier, Providence House
Publishers, 2003, p. 177. Used by permission. All rights reserved).
RC Sproul says,
At
the moment the Roman Catholic Church condemned the biblical doctrine of
justification by faith alone, she denied the gospel and ceased to be a
legitimate church, regardless of all the rest of her affirmations of Christian
orthodoxy. To embrace her as an authentic church while she continues to
repudiate the biblical doctrine of salvation is a fatal attribution. (Is the Reformation Over?
September 2009, Tabletalk, p. 7. Used by Permission).
He states the non-canonical books of the Bible,
The Jews receive the Old Testament
in 22 books, according to the number of their letters, dividing
them into three sections: Law, Prophets, and Hagiographa...There
is a fourth section of the Old Testament among us, whose books
are not in the Jewish canon. First of these is the book of Wisdom;
second Ecclesiasticus; third Tobit; fourth Judith; fifth and
sixth the books of Maccabees; which although the Jews separate
among the Apocrypha, the Church of Christ honors and preaches
among the divine books. (http://christiantruth.com/articles/Apocrypha3.html).
I
do not change the subject and I do not have a weak apologetic. I can talk about that you mix the two
natures of Christ in the Eucharist because you lack the Spirit of God to teach you about
your total inability and total depravity (without making it a personal
attack). I suggest to you that Satan can easily deal with you, because
you lack biblical divine truth.
By the way, you call me "Mr. Petillo"
when I have an earned doctorate of theology. I earned it at the age of
24 in 2004: it was a 531-page dissertation on the Reformed doctrines of the Bible. But I
pray for you (I really do) that you would embrace the doctrines of the
Bible before it is too late. I stood before Jesus (going to Mass
everyday) and He said it did not matter.
He must stand in Him in His
unified IMPUTED righteousness through a forensic declaration. I said
that Mary did not suffer redemptively and Jesus does not accept her in
that way because He is the only One the Father said He was well-pleased
with. Go to Jesus alone! I call you to repentance.
Luke 11:26-28 KJV
26 Then
goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than
himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that
man is worse than the first.
27 And
it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the
company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that
bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.